Showing posts with label Resources: Corporate Election. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Resources: Corporate Election. Show all posts

Tuesday, December 29, 2015

Dr Chad Thornhill and Dr Ben Witherington discuss Romans 8-11, foreknowledge and election

Dr Ben Witherington has been interviewing Dr Chad Thornhill about his new book, The Chosen People: Election, Paul & Second Temple Judaism in an 8-part series.  In Part 7, they discuss Romans 8-11, foreknowledge and election; here is an excerpt:

BEN: One of the confusions of Tom Schreiner and other committed Calvinists is the assumption that when Paul talks about individuals like Jacob and Esau in Rom. 9, he is referring to them NOT as representative heads of a people, but as isolated individuals, and so Paul must be talking about the double predestination of particular individuals. As you point out even when Paul uses the singular pronoun it can refer to the representative head of a group of people. I find this whole Calvinistic line of argument: 1) far too modern considering the dyadic personality of ancient peoples and how they viewed themselves as primarily parts of collectives; and 2) more to the point it completely ignores for example Gal. 4 where Hagar and Sarah very clearly represent two groups of people—namely they are the prefigurements of the Judaizers and of Paul and those who agree with him. Paul lines up those who represent Arabia, Sinai, and the ‘now’ Jerusalem and slavery in one camp, and those who represent the Jerusalem which is from above and those who are free in another. In some ways I find this just as individualistic and wrong as Mr. Warren’s whole discussion of God having a ‘will’ for your individual ‘purpose driven life’ which is somehow custom tailored to the individual and much more particular than what the NT says about the will of God for believers in general— namely their sanctification, their exercising of God’s gifts in their lives etc. We seem to insist on reading the Bible through highly individualistic late Western eyes, and the reading of Paul especially suffers from this malady. Would you agree? 
CHAD: As I developed in earlier chapters, the concept of corporate representation was alive and well in Jewish literature, and at times was specifically connected with the concept of election and the language surrounding it. Jacob and Esau themselves in Jubilees serve as representatives of two groups. Jacob serves such a function throughout the Old Testament as well. Paul is working with this existing framework of Jacob and Esau as representatives, but he reorients what this entails. There is a sense here too that God’s choosings are counter-intuitive. It is not the older, but the younger. I think this is significant because Paul completes his argument by stating explicitly that God’s people are not just made up of Jews, but also Gentiles. This would have been counter-intuitive to many Jews, so Jacob and Esau both serve as corporate representatives and as illustrations of the fact that God is the one who gets to make the rules. I think the bigger problem with the individualistic interpretation is that Paul is not answer the question here of how God decides who to save. He is rather answering the question of why we should think Gentiles can be included as full members in God’s people without submitting fully to Torah and that many Jews are being left out. This is not, then, about God’s “fairness,” as some translate adikia in 9:14, but about his rightness, or faithfulness, if you will. Paul gives the explicit download of the argument from 9:1-23 in 9:24: Jews and Gentiles are both in God’s people, and this is not based on ethnicity or Torah-observance, but their identification with and commitment to God’s Messiah. 


You can read the rest of Part 7 here, begin at Part 1 here, or see the full list here.

The Chosen People: Election, Paul and Second Temple Judaism is based on the author’s 2013 doctoral dissertation, “To the Jew First: A Socio-Historical and Biblical-Theological Analysis of the Pauline Teaching of ‘Election’ in Light of Second Temple Jewish Patterns of Thought” which is available from SEA here.


Further Reading:

This book is not to be confused with similarly titled The New Chosen People: A Corporate View of Election, by William Klein, which is an excellent introduction to Corporate Election, now available in a revised and expanded edition.

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Monday, September 14, 2015

VIDEO: Dr Ben Witherington, "Why I’m Not a Calvinist"

Dr Ben Witherington is Amos Professor of New Testament for Doctoral Studies at Asbury Theological Seminary and is part of the doctoral faculty at St Andrews University in Scotland.  The original post is here.




More from Dr Ben Witherington:



Dr Witherington also recently announced the second expanded edition of his book, The Problem with Evangelical Theology: Testing the Exegetical Foundations of Calvinism, Dispensationalism, Wesleyanism, and Pentecostalism, to be released in November.  For the original edition, here is the Google Preview, or Find in a Library


You can find more from Dr Witherington at his blog, and at his website.

Monday, August 3, 2015

Derwin Gray, "ROMANS 9 is a Part of a Larger Story”


I've previously posted Pastor Derwin Gray's sermons on Romans 9 (link). This week I came across a blog series he posted back in 2012 on the same chapter.  Gray is another former Calvinist who now holds to a Corporate Election perspective, focusing especially on election to vocation. Here is an excerpt from part 1 (link):
Just as Abraham exercised faith and believed in God (Romans 15:6), every Israelite had to do the same. Just because Israel corporately was chosen for this mission, it did not mean every Israelite was “saved.” In this sense, election was corporate and it meant that the nation of Israel had a task or mission. This is very similar to Jesus choosing His disciples for a task, yet He knew Judas was a “devil” (John 15:16). So was Judas regenerated (saved) and then degenerated (unsaved)? Of course not. Per Jewish understanding, Jesus called His disciples to a corporate task and later, throughout the Gospels, we see the disciples exercise faith and believe in Jesus. Also note, just as Israel had twelve tribes, Jesus choose twelve disciples to usher in a new people of God. 
Israel failed, just as Adam and Eve failed, so God the Father then elected or chose His eternal Son Jesus (Luke 9:35), the last Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45), to fulfill and complete what Adam and Eve and what Israel could not: to bring God’s Kingdom to earth. Jesus is Israel’s Messiah, the God-King and Savior of the world.   
And through Jesus’ sinless life, His death on the cross for the sins of the world, His death-defeating resurrection, and His ascension, a new people of God were chosen or elected in Him (Ephesians 1:4; 1 Peter 2:5-9). Through faith, enabled by God the Holy Spirit, whoever believes in Jesus shares in His election and mission.  
The Church, which is God’s Eternal Purpose, exists on earth to display God’s glory and be on mission to colonize it, and because the people of God are indwelt by Jesus and filled by the Holy Spirit, they bring a little taste of heaven to earth.  
This is a story about God’s glory.


Here are the full posts:
(I couldn't find part 3; if you have the link, please pass it along :) )


Derwin Gray's journey

In another post, Gray writes (link), "I started my Christian journey as a classic Calvinist., I devoured Calvin’s Institutes, books by R.C. Sproul, and John Piper. After a decade of prayer, study, and reflection, I hold to and teach a 3rd option. Since I don’t like to label myself, I don’t have a name for this third option. Some may call it 'Modified Calvinism' or 'Moderate Calvinism' since I also believe in eternal security."  
He adds, "This 3rd option, which I hold to and teach, is in alignment with the Church’s greatest theologian/philosopher Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274), the beloved and brilliant C.S. Lewis (1898-1963), and my mentor and friend Norman L. Geisler (1932-present)."  

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You can also read his testimony of how he came to Christ here: “Pro Football Was My God: Until a half-naked man showed up at my locker”.



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Wednesday, February 11, 2015

On Corporate Election

The most convincing alternative to the Calvinist position of unconditional election, I believe, is corporate election. Though the perception is often to the contrary, Leighton Flowers (adjunct Professor of Theology at Dallas Baptist University) has noted that this is also the most popular view among biblical scholars of the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the USA (Link).


For those unfamiliar with this perspective, the Society of Evangelical Arminians has posted A Concise Summary of the Corporate View of Election and Predestination which is excerpted from Zondervan’s NIV Life in the Spirit Study Bible.


At the bottom of the summary the SEA has included a number of articles for further reading. In particular, you may be interested in Brian J Abasciano, "Corporate Election in Romans 9: A Reply to Thomas Schreiner".  Most of us within New Calvinist circles have read Tom Schreiner's "Does Romans 9 Teach Individual Election unto Salvation? Some Exegetical and Theological Reflections" either online or in Still Sovereign: Contemporary Perspectives on Election, Fore­knowledge, and Grace.  Brian Abasciano, who is an adjunct professor of New Testament at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, provides an excellent response.  To convince you, here is his closing paragraph:


Schreiner’s critique of corporate election does not succeed at upholding the Calvinist view of individual election in Romans 9. The OT and Judaism’s view of election was corporate, Paul himself only spoke explicitly of election unto salvation in corporate terms, and Paul’s socio-historical context was solidly collectivist. Moreover, Paul, who deals with Scripture extensively in Romans 9–11 and attempts to show that his views are in accord with it, refers to a number of passages that evince a corporate view of election. Furthermore, the OT concept of corporate election embraces individual separation and entrance into the elect community without shifting the locus of election to the individual. The burden of proof must lie on those who would claim that Paul departed from this standard biblical and Jewish conception of election. If it be claimed that the shift of the locus of election from Abraham or Jacob/ Israel to Christ demands such a departure, I would point out that election in Christ is only the fulfillment of Israel’s election and that this election fits perfectly into the OT pattern. Again, if it be objected that this sets up an impossible standard because Paul nowhere directly argues for individual election in such a way that does not fit into a corporate perspective, I would respond that that is exactly the point. We would have to assume the corporate view unless there was some good reason to the contrary. Neither Paul nor the rest of the NT gives us any reason to make this leap. Quite the opposite, they, not least Romans 9, support the corporate view through corporate language, socio-historical context, and recourse to the OT. In response to Schreiner’s question, “Does Romans 9 teach individual election unto salvation?” we must answer, no, it does not. It contains a corporate view of election unto salvation that grants elect status to all who are in Christ.



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